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Dual Core processor - AMD or INTEL 3/4
Grumpy 25 May 2005

Intel CPU Pricing
AMD CPU Pricing

Full System Costs

So what does this all mean, is the P4 820 a bargain and the AMD X2 overpriced ? Well, we do not have all the data yet, because we have not added in the cost of a Motherboard or the memory. Remember, Intel needs DDR2, a little bit more pricey than DDR, and the Motherboards are currently more expensive. Further, the Intel System will need a bigger PSU ( 50 W more ) and better Case Cooling. For simplicity, we will just list the price of the Motherboards and memory. At present, the only Intel MBs are 955 Chipset MBs, which are SLI once a new Bios appears, so we will see AMD SLI and Non SLI prices, to show the Budget AMD MB option.

Intel Package Low End ( SLI ONLY )


ASUS P5WD2 Premium Motherboard $230
Intel 820 CPU $241
Corsair XMS2 DDR2-667 2x512-MB $185

Total $656

Latest : We have just received information on a new budget ( If you can call it that ) Foxconn 955 Motherbard, so we now include this new Category.

Intel Low End (Non SLI )

CPU Intel P4 820 $241
MB Foxconn 955X7AA-8EKRS i955X $135
Ram GeIL (2 x 512MB) DDR2 667 $150

Total $526

With the Motherboard costing only $135, it changes the picture for Intel, finally giving it a clear run at the Budget Dual Core market.


Intel Package High End ( SLI ONLY )


ASUS P5WD2 Premium Motherboard $230
Intel 840 CPU $530
Corsair XMS2 DDR2-667 2x512-MB $185

Total $945


AMD Package Low End ( Non SLI )

CHAINTECH VNF4 $ 86
AMD A64 X2 4200+ $537
Corsair XMS PC3200XL 2x512-MB $185

Total $808



AMD High End Package (SLI )

Gigabyte GA-K8N Ultra-SLI $145
AMD A64 X2 4200+ $537
Corsair XMS PC3200XL 2x512-MB $185

Total $867


As can be seen, things are getting very interesting. Firstly, there is no AMD High End Prices, the reason, the Low End is as powerful as the Intel High End. The reason AMD have no slower Dual Cores is they know that for gaming, anything less is not good enough for a premium product. The 4200+ is a superior CPU for gaming than Intel Dual Cores of any speed. Second point of interest is the lack of a cheap Motherboard for Intel, and this is a very bad thing. While the CPU is cheap, the cost of the Motherboard suddenly makes the budget 820 look a little less of a bargain. Intel is rushing to get the cheaper 945 Chipset MBs to market, and some companies are considering the use of 865/875 Chipsets to cut costs, but until these options magically appear, AMD is in a good position. For $153 more you get a System which is vastly more powerful, uses around the same power and generates less heat. So moving up to the 830 or 840 renders Intel dead in the water until the motherboards come down to AMD levels.

We all now have some ideas on price don't we, seeing how the cost versus a single CPU compares. No, we don't ! We are forgetting 1 thing. For the added CPU, you do not need a second Motherboard, Video Card, Memory, Hard Disk, CD/DVD, Case/PSU and a few other components. Suddenly that extra CPU is looking cheap.

So how do they perform, and will it work for me. Simply put, it comes down to the Software. For all the hardware prowess, if the Software cannot utilize the extra Core, it is as good as useless. Ask yourself what do you use the computer for, do I just do a bit of typing and surf the Net, or do I play games, burn CDs and DVDs regularly and spend hours on the Net. For those that are constantly trying to do 100 things at once on the computer, Dual Core is for you. How well Dual Core works depends on how well the software is Multi Threaded. Simply put, if a Program can perform different tasks at the same time while running, say encoding a video file and able to encode the audio file at the same time. At present there are not a lot of programs that are Multi Threaded, but thanks to Intel and their Hyperthreading Technology, the list has been growing. And now, as Dual Cores start selling, companies will be under pressure to optimise their software to take advantage of Multi Threading or be left behind by their competitors.

But what of the Software that is not Multi Threaded ? Well, you can still play a game and burn a DVD can't you, you have a CPU for both tasks. So whether an application or game is Multi Threaded or not, if you are constantly running multiple programs on your computer, Dual Core will be a serious upgrade. What you have to see though is that for Single Threaded Programs like games, your computer will be exactly like you only had 1 CPU. So a 820 Intel P4 will play games like a 2.8 Ghz P4, whereas an AMD A64 X2 4200+ will play games like an A64 3500+. And this is why AMD is not worried about a higher starting price. When you buy an 820 or 830 Intel Dual Core CPU, you are not getting state of the art speed for single threaded programs, you must get a 840 for that and suddenly you are paying more than an AMD Dual Core System.

So, the situation is not so simple. On the Intel side we seem to have a cheap product, good for general Multi Tasking work, but until we get a value priced Motherboard, budget buyers will have to wait. At the high end, we see a reasonable performer for games and CPU intensive tasks, but certainly not value for money. AMD on the other hand seems a bit expensive, but component costs lower the pain and even at the entry level, provide a powerful performer for single and multi threaded applications. Having a cheap Motherboard has been a winner for AMD, and if you have $1000 US to spend, the 840 EE is no match for the 4800+.

Now, I am sure someone is asking "What about Overclocking". Luckily, these CPUs have been put through the wringers by mad OCers. Intel has seen some mad overclocks, 4.4 Ghz for the 840 EE on water. The Dual Cores are basically 2 Prescotts, so whatever the prescotts can do, so an the Dual Cores...BUT...you have 2 Prescotts OVERCLOCKED IN THE SAME CASE ! 550W PSU and a good CPU HSF if you want good results, though the Stock HSF will do 200-300 Mhz OK. But you will need to vent that case. For AMD, the X2 has been doing 2.5-2.6 Ghz on Stock HSF with minimal Vcore increases and 2.7-2.8 with a 3rd party HSF and a bit more volts :) So, there is room for getting the cheaper Dual Cores up to some good speeds with a little help, and as seen from the pricing, it can be very worthwhile.

To conclude, I can say that Dual Core is worth it, if you have a use for it. As time goes on, software will take advantage of it more and more, as seen by the upcoming games that will be Multi Threaded. I have been using Dual CPU Systems for many years and would never go back to Single CPUs. Until now, you needed a lot of $$ for 2 CPUs, now, anyone with a mid range budget will be within reach of a Dual CPU System. Being able to surf the Net while burning/encoding DVDs and doing some word processing and perhaps an hour of Half Life 2 without shutting down some Applications makes life so much easier, and I have not even mentioned Folding once in this article ( oops, until now :D )

For someone looking at a budget computer with Dual Core, you will need to wait for Intel to provide Motherboards at the same price as the AMD 939s else look to AMD, 955 Chipsets as well as the NF4 solutions are too expensive for Budget Buyers looking at a 820 or 830 based Computer. For power users, there is only one direction to go, AMD. They have the fastest most modern Dual Core option, and as a bonus it uses a lot less power and keeping it cool is not a problem. For me, I have been looking at another Dual CPU System as a general backup Computer and Folding Box, and the Intel 820 was looking a good buy. Sadly, the lack of budget Motherboards has put that on hold, and I know a lot of potential Intel buyers will feel the same way. Intel once again has launched a product that is big on hype but falls over at the last hurdle, while AMD strolls past to the finish line. Until that cheap intel 945 Motherboard appears, AMD is your best choice.


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